i am not sure if this is the best place to put this or not.
simon can move it around if not.
i have been going through my things and found kingdom ministries from 1989 - 1996 for the most part they are complete.
OMGosh, Mouthy. You are cracking me up.Well, somethings need to be said straight forward and up front. And when it comes to families being ripped apart...there is absolutely nothing nice or "sweet" about it. I'm all for telling it like it is, too.
granny
i read this quote at tom's site (thanks tom!
) and then looked it up for myself on the wt cd.
this is truly disturbing and shows their true mindset....this is from the nov. !5th 1952 question from readers.
Mouthy, James beat me to it...that is so sick!!!!!!! Damn, I detest those people. I imagine you have found forgiveness in your heart, but nonetheless, their hatred towards humanity is totally disgusting.
love,
granny
i haven't been on here in quite a while so let me refresh your memories.
i have a son who is in the army reserves, he went to basic last summer but he's a senior in high school and has to do his individual training so he's not in iraq with his unit.
i haven't heard anything from my family since last july when i told them what he was doing.
So true, so true! It's not really love and concern - or so is my opinion.
My mother has never seen my 3 grandchildren. She has not seen her grandson in over 12 years. I tell them nothing! Although I did have opportunity to rekindle a relationship with my fence-riding older sister and shared some family things with her that I'd wish now to have remained silent about. Guess that's the price I pay for thinking JW family has any right. My mom and two sisters have had no contact with a df aunt, my mothers sister, in over 15 years. So when I get this phoney "did you (meaning me) know about Aunt Jeannie?" Well F*** me!!!!!! I know more about what goes on with the df side of the family then you'll ever know...cut the phoney crap with me!!! Just like someone already stated; how they turn their feelings on and off so quickly. That's the behaviour of a split-person.
I'm all for not telling JW family anything. It's none of their business as long as they continue shunning. Even then, for myself, there is no likelyhood of me ever speaking to them again. I made that choice last week. Up to then I'd thought that perhaps they could set their religious mumbo-jumbo aside, but they cannot refrain from preaching. Screw em!
Granny
i have been attending a church in our area for about 2 years now - i really like it.
they are looking at ideas for outreach ministry and i think i'm going to approach the pastor about offering a support group for x-jw and mormons (or even those that are still in but want to come....heck....guess i could let them in .
so my question for ya'll is - what type of support group would you feel most comfortable in?
Hi, Dawn.
Since it's a ministry outreach program, does that mean it's Bible based or is there room for the non-Christian? I've done 10 years volunteer work amongst Christians since they are the one's who usually establish community centers/healing programs. At least in the smaller communities anyhow.
I'm only asking because sometimes there is a conflict between theology and secular. I was forced to set my judgement aside because recovery was the important issue...not my religious (or lack of) differences. It's just that too often these type settings can develop into religious argument rather than some remaining focused on the real issue. At any rate I think it's a wonderful thing you are doing.
Granny
i was looking at another thread i had started, and i noticed this person was very new.
she posted and it was only her 2nd post.
so, everyone welcome krystalline!!
Hi, Krystal. I'll look around for your story.
I've been out (df) for over 30 years. I'm so glad sites such as these are available, especially for the newier one's out. I'm pretty touch, but reading about other's sure can get my blood to boiling at times. And I've had to rant and rave on occasion, myself.
WELCOME.
granny
well, about a month ago, i had to have a talk with the elders.
primarily due to my lack of meeting attendance.
i decided to make an effort and attend, after about two sunday meetings, i found out about the un and haven't been back since.
Ash took the words out of my mouth. Don't those JW's place self-imposed restriction upon themselves? They do so because they continue following the dictates of the WTBTS, so remember to go easy on yourself. Remember what shame is, and how people use it to disspell their own guilt feelings while making everyone else out to be the bad guy. They are responsible for their choices, just the same as we are. We just acknowledge our choice...they have to justify their's. Ya know, Gods will and all that happy horse shit.
granny
it is my pleasure to announce i have terminated my membership of the jehovahs wittnesses.
i shall be formally making this statement known to my congregation at tomorrow nights meeting after i have taken the ministry school.
for many years i have developed my own thoughts on religion and this along with the information i have learned here and on other sites has convinced me that i can no longer live teaching the bollocks the wtbs.
Before I go any further I'd like to say somethig to IntheTruth, or whatever your forum name is. While I'm not usually one to jump into a thread when people like you get started mouthing your programed mantra, I really do have to wonder how it is your conscience can apparently remain intact after the horror stories you read here? Why are you here? I'm always at a loss to understand those who sit in judgement of the entire planet population, yet associate with the like of us. Ya now what I mean,eh. Those nasty apostates; those who have turned our back on JWism...
Well I recently sent a letter of disassociation to my fence-riding, wannbe JW sister (who by the way has been on prozac for 12 years), and I felt good. After 30 some years out of that cult, nothing has changed with the mentality of those people. I'd like to say, why not take your ***somewhere else, but then I remember how important people like you are. Each time you spiel your brand of self-righteousness, you speak very well for Jehovah's Witnesses. You help affirm my belief about the "troof."
granny
milton henschel's death leaves a vacancy on the jw governing body.
will this create a power struggle withing the watch tower leadership?
Dah! I'm not too bright here. I was thinking of Milton Berle, the comedian, and wondering where this thread was headed. Oh well. So, ya'll were saying...
we all go through times of stress and sad times.
what is a simple, yet profound saying that you have reminded yourself of to make these troubling times easier?
you don't have to believe in a literal god, just that there are higher thoughts within us that we all are able to draw from.. the one that has worked the best for me is: .
"The bastards arent' gonna get me!" Or, "I am my own god(des)."
granny
i thought i'd give this a go, lighten up the forum a little.
just curious, about a few things regarding all of us who participate on here.
i have some questions, of which i will answer also.
l. from 3rd grade until I left home at 18/19 years of age.
2. Raised
3. N/A
4. N/A
5. sometime in my mid teens...don't really remember the year. I only did it because I thought it was expected of me.
6. I never was a "good" jw. I Had to pretend to be someone I wasn't because my mom would haul any one of us off to the elders for discipline. UGH. I hated! that.
7. When getting out of high school (not graduating even after 4 years), and getting a job in the real world.
8. age 19, I believe it was.
9. no
10. At first. But as time wore on I simply had no desire to be around such non-thinking people. And they certainly would not have approved of my life-style, so we all made a choice. Of course they really don't make the decision, they are told what to believe. Sheesh!
11. No, but the thought has entered my mind on occasion.
12. Absolutely not!
13. Yes.
14. Not as taught by main stream christianity...I do not believe the Bible is inspired by any loving entitiy.
15. Active, yes. Why vote for my task master, eh.
16. Absolutely. Perhaps that has been one of the major obsticals I've had to overcome. That incessant judging that I learned as a JW...it is sickening too say the least. But I'm much, much better, thank you.
17. As someone already mentioned, there will always be people who NEED these type organizations, so it won't matter what happens today with that corporation because it will take a new face tomorrow. Personally I'd like to see an end to Christianity, period. As a whole it has caused more death and misery then any one thing. But then it takes research and a willingness to investigate the very foundatiions of such. I don't care if its jw or not...people are so smug in their belief that they have no need to question anything. Just have "blind" faith.
18. Fat change. They just don't listen, period. I'd not waste my time and energy.
19. I have to chuckle at myself thinking about that one. Truthfully? As crazy as this may sound to some it was by consuming alcohol at first. It allowed me NOT to think about the insane life I lived as a JW. Of course what really helped was when alcohol forced me into a recovery group where I began dealing with religious abuse issues. Which to this day is my favorite topic for writing. I read COC, and with the help of many great writers who shared their stories...ah, it's been a wonderful adventure of learning about my self.
20. It has been nearly two years ago that I first found these type forums. I guess JWism will always remain a part of my life, but in a postive way because I'm out - forever. My older sister had expressed her "having doubts" so I took it upon myself to research on the internet. Boy! I've been addicted sinceHad it not been for these type forums its doubtful I would have known about the UN, pedophiles, depression, etc.
This has been a good thing. Thanks, Razorblade for posting.
Love Ya'll
granny
